The way you're portraying these two makes me happy. The first couple of movies of the series make the Potters seem like they were awesome people as teens, but when you find out how much of a jerk James was AND that he was the star of the quidditch team AND that Lily went out and married him despite that he was so mean to Severus (her first real friend) you realize that they were just... teenagers. One was the stereotypical jerky jock and the other was the pretty girl who got the jock. These Personalities that you're portraying seem to really hit the characters, or atleast in a comical fashion. That makes me happy because Severus deserved better than what he got and the Potters need to be exposed FOR THE EVIL DOERS THAT THEY ARE!
I have learned recently that the movies don't do a good job explaining the characters. The movie made it seem like Lilian was picked on immensely until she went to Hogwarts, but before, Severus was the one who came up and comforted her. Thus, I am only aloud to complain about the characters in the movie. Even if it didn't outright state it, it heavily implied it.
well come on they are teenagers, and while I agree that snape didn't deserve what he got, it doesn't necessarily mean that James and the marauders are evil. They decided to have fun and got really carried away, they were teenagers and they thought bullying Snape made them cool. James was jealous of him he thought that if he made Snape look like an idiot Lilly would like him. This was all made easier by the fact that Snape wanted to be a Death Eater, I'm guessing James justified his bullying as fighting Death Eaters. Also Lilly only agreed to date him once he stopped being a jerk to snape. I think everyone has some moment where they know what they're doing is wrong but they keep doing it.
I've never read the books, so I can't persecute them for what happened there. If what you're saying happened in the movies, then I completely missed the evidence pointing to it. All in all, I saw a person trying to do right who was constantly persecuted by the so-called hero of the school and then his best friend/crush dated said guy which is your stereotypical high school story. I try not to persecute characters when they have behind the scenes things happen that only the books know about, so if that's the case then my complaining will lower an immense amount.
Also, I don't count "they were teenagers" as an excuse to do wrong things. Its an excuse to make mistakes, but not bad choices. Yes, being a teenager will make doing wrong seem like the right choice many times and it is difficult to resist, but its not impossible. Hormones influence decisions, they don't make them for the person. Doing what was right may not have been an obvious choice, but its still a choice.
Really, I felt betrayed because until the last three movies, I thought highly of all the Potters. But those last ones showed that they all (including Harry) did some things that heroes should not do and really made them seem conceited. It certainly makes them all more human, but less likeable to someone like myself.
If you've never read the books than you've already lost about 50% of the evidence I used. Also a HUGE amount of mistakes are the product of bad choices that were made because of being too young. Also I don't believe I ever stated hormones as one of my arguments for the point, what I meant is that in High school/ Middle School a very dog eat dog world, people will do almost anything to seem cool or popular. I believe that it was meant to show that people can make mistakes, and that just because they do so doesn't make them good or evil. I like to think that despite his faults (which everyone has) James Potter was as great a person as everyone makes him out to be.
Which is fair to say since you've read the books. I could only go off the evidence I had which came from the movies. I would've liked for them to make what you've stated more obvious. Because they didn't, the movies just makes the Potters seem like jerks.
What I meant by 'love-struck' is that I think she won't be as 'crazy' about him, like perhaps, James' fan girls, if you may. (I think my wording is confusing so I'm sorry about that. XD) Lily doesn't strike me as that kind of woman. She loves James, but I think she's not the 'oh-James-is-so-great-oh-I'm-so-wooed' kind of girl.
I agree. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love love love love love your drawings. I just think that Lily would have succumbed to James' charm after a couple of days or weeks sharing a dorm with him as head girl and boy, but I don't think she would have immediately started worshipping the ground he walked on. She probably would have still rolled her eyes at his jokes but she would have been suppressing a grin the whole time; not showing too much affection in public.
Mean? The guy called her a Mudblood. The Wizarding equivalent of the N-Word. What else was she going to do? He earned his kicking to the curb, which had been a long time in coming.
Difference between Snape and James is that James grew up and changed for the better. Snape grew older and changed for the worst. James chose Lily. Snape chose the Dark Arts. One chose love, the other chose power - and make no mistake, Voldemort offered James power.
first the N word is not equivalent to mudblood , + If you get your pants showed to all your classmates , I bet you'll be alot madder , also a good friend wouldn't leave someone who knew for years , For a crush , And if lily was actually a good friend , she wouldn't have left snape because of one only fight . And you said Snape changed for the worst , do you know the feeling of being left behind by your best and only friend , and loosing him to his enemy , I know i'm being subjectif here , but I think snape was just lonely when he joined the Deatheaters :S
Oh really? It's a deeply discriminatory term designed to imply that that the one being insulted is fundamentally lesser because of the circumstances of their birth.
Agreed. James wasn't exactly a saint back then, but Lily was freaking defending Snape when he turned on her!
Lily wasn't crushing on James. She didn't even like him until seventh year, when he grew up. She didn't just switch from Snape to James like that.
And it wasn't just one fight. It was the straw that broke the camel's back. Quoth Lily herself: "Slipped out? It’s too late. I’ve made excuses for you for years. None of my friends can understand why I even talk to you. You and your precious little Death Eater friends ... You’ve chosen your way, I’ve chosen mine.”
She also added that he called every other Muggleborn a Mudblood. This was NOT an isolated instance.
He was already hanging around the Death Eaters when he was Lily's friend. She actually called him out for the stuff they pulled before that, and he excused it with things along the lines of 'it's just a bit of fun'.
I will reiterate - James changed, Snape didn't. Snape was the one who drove Lily away, not vice versa. Quite simply, she wasn't going to be his doormat and take stuff like that - and she shouldn't. Snape was not a saint. He was, overall, a man with good aims, at the end. But he wasn't a nice one. He was a muggle hating jackass most of the time, one who delighted in abusing children verbally.